update 03/02/19 : welcome our little blog ! After you read the info below about the pre-filters on our Mini Lite, take a look at the other stuff we have written about.
posts about adding solar
how to improve your RV’s water
better cellular connectivity when you are in the middle of nowhere and need to work
why we chose lithium batteries and why we love them
lots of other upgrades we have done to our travel trailer
Along with our previous modification, where we added a water filter tap to the kitchen sink, it was time to improve the water before it gets into the trailer.
Starting with what we had (recommended and installed) : our set up for the first year
Like most RVers, we were recommended to get a filter to improve the quality of the water from a city water connection, or filling the holding tank. Generally this comes in the form of a Camco KDF / Carbon filter. Basically, this filters at 100 microns, which is VERY large in the grand scheme of water filters. Its essentially a sediment filter which can also trap some odor and chlorine flavors from the water source. Because its KDF, it is at least capable of inhibiting fungal and bacterial growth when not in use. This is handy for occasional campers like us. Because it has such a huge micron size, its at least a high-flow filter, but that said… its not really going to do much besides perhaps make the water taste slightly better.
We used our Camco pre-filter religiously for a whole year, sort of assuming it was doing “something” because it was recommended by the RV dealer. The moral of this story : This filter is better than nothing, but also does next to nothing for your water purity. Think of it as basically the same as one of those PUR water pitchers that has the carbon filters to improve the taste of water from your kitchen sink.
Also… pre-installed inside our Rockwood Mini Lite 2104S, was a Water Pur RCS / KW1 Water Filter. This filter was installed after the city water bypass, and after the water pump. According to Water Pur this filter is a 5 micron filter with a 2.5 gpm flow rate.
So, 5 microns is smaller than 100! , and its a carbon based filter. So why are we wanting to upgrade ? Well, there are a few problems :
Problem 1 with the WaterPur filter : you MUST buy their proprietary cartridges
Well, as you can see on the label below, “This housing is NOT compatible with any other cartridge. Use of other cartridges will cause damage and leaks, and will void any applicable warranty”. Wait what ? There are literally hundreds of filters available on the market, but you cannot use any other filter but the KW1 ? That seems kind fishy. Well, indeed it kind of is… According to a fairly extensive and also kind of heated discussion of this filter (titled : The KW1 Water Filter Myth), Water Pur states the following :
We supply the KW1 for the sole use of Forest River, because they wanted a product that was better than the standard. Therefore, Forest River was the most obvious distributor.
So… there you have it. Water Pur makes this housing and cartridge specifically for Rockwood. That forces you to be tied into using ONLY WaterPur cartridges. That means you cannot use another brand that might be cheaper or change the type of cartridge to fit your needs. That is pretty lame. Although the KW1 filter is not ridiculously priced at $29.95 retail , but a comparable filter such as the Pentair F5 cartridge retails for $16.95 (or less elsewhere on the web)
Problem 2 with the WaterPur filter : it doesn’t filter small enough to catch cysts like Giardia
So to be fair, most folks aren’t usually looking for anything better than a water filter such as the WaterPur setup. Assuming its 5 microns, the WaterPur filter definitely is capable of filtering chlorine and sediment, and its a good add-on for Rockwood. However, I think further consideration should be made by their install choices and vendors to not only serve their customers better (there are a lot of newbie campers like me out there!) but to raise awareness of water systems and how you can better maintain and possibly improve your systems for long term use.
Problem 3 with the WaterPur filter : its plumbed inside the trailer after the pump and city water bypass
So, this is a bummer for us because we generally prefer to Dry Camp (no city water pressure). This means that our little DC pump (which is actually a pretty good one… good job Rockwood !) has to pull water from the holding tank, then push it through a 5 micron filter. Luckily, its plumbed directly after the pump, so it doesn’t have far to go.
However, as you might guess, this DOES reduce the overall water pressure in the trailer. And in our opinion, is NOT the best place for a filter to be installed. At least not for our usage. For folks who are only on a city water connection (at a campground or RV park) , the install location might be just fine, because there would be plenty of water pressure to push through the filter without really noticing.
(the obvious side note about the filter being inside the trailer is that the holding tank could be getting filled with plenty of sediment, contaminants and hard water materials BEFORE it gets to the pump and filter)
Due to a MAJOR issue we had with our trailer right off the lot when we bought it in May of 2017 was that we could not pull water from the holding tank (faulty plumbing !). Not knowing what the problem was, we tried just about everything which included :
- test pull of water from the winterize inlet (just to see if we could pull water)
- remove the filter to be sure it was actually working, not “dry locked”
- remove the pre-filter to see if maybe it was gunked up
- remove the KW1 filter, incase somehow that was causing no water to flow ?
Because we removed the filter pretty early on in the game, we just never put it back in, because there was a noticeable water pressure drop with the cartridge in the housing.
Problem 4 with the WaterPur filter : its permanently installed inline and has no bypass.
This is a bummer because you cannot bypass the filter when winterizing the trailer. This is especially true if you use the normal Antifreeze method. Reason : you have to unscrew the housing to remove the cartridge so you dont have to pump all that antifreeze through your carbon filter. Is that so hard ? No, of course not, but the cartridge for us is in a very tight space (sharing a small compartment with the water pump). The housing is ALWAYS full of water naturally, so water spills all over the place when you have to remove the cartridge. For us anyways, if you dont REALLY crank down hard on the cartridge housing, it WILL leak. So it also is a pain to re-seal the housing both after removing the cartridge and when replacing.
All Rockwood would have needed to do is put a simple bypass on the cartridge OR install it elsewhere in the system.
Solution : Remove the WaterPur filter from our setup and Upgrade to a quality pre-filter
So for us, it makes much more sense to filter the water BEFORE it gets inside our trailer, whether that be on city water or in our holding tank.
We removed the factory installed filter completely from our system. In fact, we replaced it with a Tank Pressurizer, more on that in a later post. So… now that the original filter has been ripped out (and sadly, trashed since we have no use for a proprietary 5 micron filter, I didn’t even want to give it to a friend to save them the headache.)
Here is the basic concept :
- Filter all incoming water to the rig (city, storage facility fill, water containers). Filter all water before it even hits our plumbing.
- Try our best to reduce sediment / solids and chemicals from the water prior to getting in our plumbing.
- When filling the holding tank, generally you have a high pressure (city water pressure) , so filtering on the way in doesn’t take that much longer than w/o filtering.
- the same is true for RV parks or Campsites with a water hookup (in fact, most folks have to reduce the pressure of the incoming water so they don’t damage the lower-pressure plumbing in their campers.
This is a two stage cartridge system that can accept standard sized filters (any brand and type). Consequently, you could easily expand (or even just temporarily expand) to a 3 stage system by just adding another single canister. This might be needed in an area, for example, that has very high Iron, or extremely high sediment in the water. Its nice to have the flexibility.
Stage 1 : RV-SED1 cartridge which is a sediment filter at 1 micron. This is to catch the big stuff, which is why it ships with two in this package. This filter in theory should be the one that needs to be changed most frequently (because the micron size is the biggest)
Stage 2 : Pentair CFB-PB10 which is a carbon filter that filters down to .5 microns.
The two together will get us the following (from Dave’s website) :
The combination of the RV-SED1sediment filter and the F1PB improves on the Basic System by filtering down to 0.5 microns, which will filter cysts (giardia and cryptosporidium) as well as keeping your plumbing clean of sediment
Removes Sediment, Chlorine, taste/odor, VOC’s, and reduces lead and heavy metals. Ideal as stand alone or as pre-filters for RO or UV system
So, using this pre-filter every time we fill the water tank OR when connected to city pressure ensures that we are putting some very clean water into our system. For drinking water (coffee / tea / some cooking) we then have the ceramic filter that we have previously installed.
We bought the filter from RVWaterfilterstore.com with the mounting bracket not realizing that this would automatically ship with 1/2″ fittings (duh ! I just didn’t read that part. Because they are assuming you are going to mount it permanently inside your camper, you’d want 1/2″). The Essential system w/o the bracket ships with 3/4″ garden hose fittings (ideal for city water or spigot filling the freshwater tanks)
The bracket and the fittings can all be purchased separately from RV Water Filter Store. So… since I had already purchased the bracket (I’m hoping to mount it to a stand at some point), I now needed the 3/4″ garden hose fittings.
The above picture shows the pre-filter in action filling up the tank at our storage facility. Since I haven’t built a stand for it, its just sitting in the back of the truck, filtering the water from the storage place, before it gets into the camper.
Something recommended to us by Dave at RV Water Filter Store was an additive that promises to keep our system sanitized during the season (on each fill). The idea behind Purogene is that, according to Dave’s site :
Purogene: This treatment for fresh water tanks is not harmful as a maintenance product, has no smell or taste, and can simply be added to the tank as needed without further effort to drain, freshen, etc. One quart of concentrated additive lasts a long time.
According to 3R, the company that makes this product :
Purogene is used to control harmful bacteria growth in drinking water systems. Using the oxidizing power of chlorine dioxide (CIO2), Purogene eliminates bacteria and odors without coloring the taste of the water like other disinfection products such as chlorine.
Hey that sounds pretty good right ?
So, the idea is to use Purogene in a high concentration to shock sanitize the system (say once a year after being in storage for a long time) OR in a low concentration EACH TIME you fill the water system.
For our tiny 43 gallon tank, that equates to about 1 and 1/3 ounce of Purogene on every full fill of our tank. The cap on the bottle is conveniently 1/3 of an ounce, making it easy to measure.
We have tried this product on a few short trips, and so far, its working great and does indeed seem to have NO odor or taste. We are feeling more confident that the water in the holding tank is as reasonably sanitary as we can get it.
We have also used Purogene after pre-filtering our water with our transfer pump when moving water from containers into the trailer. Naturally, its MUCH slower (but totally bearable) when using this method since we have to push the water through the 2 stage system, but this ensures we are putting good water into our trailer. Measuring the total capacity in our water containers (in the picture below, we had 29 gallons) we could then calculate the amount of Purogene to add into the holding tank during refill.
A few questions that came up so far that I had sent to Dave, which he promptly answered. Im going to post them here in case others might need the info :
Question 1 “Hey dave, quick question do you need to use a pressure reducer when filling with a two-stage pre-filter, or is it OK to use a higher pressure, we have a gravity feed Fill”
Dave : If you are filling a tank with a gravity feed, you normally don’t need a pressure regulator. The flowing pressure is normally about 1/2 to 2/3 the static pressure, so you would need to be about 100 PSI to start to worry. Pressure regulators are most important for limiting static pressure in the lines. The only thing at risk at all would be the filter canisters, and it would have to be extremely high pressure to blow an o-ring with an open flow.
Question 2 and 3 “Im wondering best practice for storing our filters between trips. we generally use our camper a few times a month, so wondering what the best practice should be for both setups when not in use
Dave : If you are leaving the camper in storage for more than a month, then you should dry out the essential filters. You can then put the dry cartridges back into the canister.The under sink filter is bacteriostatic, so it will never grow anything in it. Just don’t let it freeze 🙂